@bg, you have a narrow view of all this. This is why we have an issue because someone like you believes that this is all due to one Party or the other. It is that kind of thinking and divisiveness that we ARE in this mess. the Dems, the Reps and the President are ALL to blame. If your mindset is that your left leaning way to do things is the ONLY way to do things, then we as a country are DOOMED because the answer lays in dialogue and compromise. I'll put it to you in your personal life....do you have a conversation and compromise with your spouse/significant other when you disagree, or do you tell them that your way is the best and only way and draw a line in the sand? Your answer to that will tell me where you are at. There is NO DIFFERENCE between the jokers in Washington and one's personal life when it comes to conflict resolution...NONE. so if your answer is you talk and compromise, then that should be your post, not blaming one side.

bg, You are the pawn. If your so stupid as to believe this left wing crap, then their lies have penetrated your narrow little mind and you repeat the gibberish they tell you on M.S.N.B.C.. Just thank god we have the Tea Party to help retards like yourself in these troubled times.

obama cut all the red tape, what are you crying about bg robbins?

thank you dave sleeper

Obamanator designed and signed the Budget Control Act of 2011 on August 2, 2011.
That makes this Dumdass solely responsible for the sequester!

OMG...another one.....right...the Left and the President were/are not part of any of this at all.... wake up folks will ya?????

@jenine, I am not a supporter of the Tea Party, nor do I support extreme left wing factions. I do, however, find it incumbent upon me to point out that the "sequestration" originated as an Obama policy. I do not wish to convince you of anything, or dispel your theory, but you might want to take a look at this:

VALVO: Sequestration: Obama trapped by his own tactic ...
www.washingtontimes.com/.../valvo-sequestration-obama-trapped-hi...

Proud, thank you

Your quite welcome @Richard J

proud- I would hardly use an article written by the right wing Washington Times as truth to who bought about Sequestration. Remember that the question back then:was to default or not too default? All(both parties and the administration supported it. . .now it's spin time.

@Spooner, my point was that @jenine was just a tad over the top in her post. For the sake of fairness, attached you will find a link from the more left wing Washington Post authored by Bob Woodward, regarding the sequestration. You may draw your own conclusions as I have:

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-02-22/opinions/37238840_1_jack-lew-treasury-secretary-rob-nabors

Since in this country legislation is voted upon by our elected officials it might be appropriate to note that 59% of the votes authorizing sequestration came from Republicans.

proud- that was kind of Obama's "trojan horse" which the Republicans bit on, while he got them to extend the default date.The only thing being was...he won the election. So politically at the time it worked for him, and I guess the Republicans thought it would work for them?

@Spooner, actually it worked for no one. The "cuts" are not in effect--yet-- and, any solution remains at an impasse. Business as usual in Wasington, that being goiing nowhere --FAST!

proud- as a postscript... the NYT is calling Bob Woodward the new hero for the right...

@Spooner,I would hardly use an article written by the left wing New York Times as truth to who bought about Sequestration.

The president bluff himself into a corner and got caught in the "Pinnochio Factor"
The sky is not falling he's got to live with 85 million less off of his $15 Billion increase over last years spending!
Even the left wing supporting media are questioning the Kings New Clothes!
It's about time!

The Koch brothers? What about George Soros? He collapsed two European economies and his eyes are now set on the U.S. through the 'progressive' Democratic party that he supports. As for the tea party, hear any activities by
them lately? They were just concerned citizens speaking out. Charges of racism came from the press and were never proven. I was a Dem in my youth. No more. The party has changed. Proof of this is the anti-American sentiment proliferating in hollywood, in the president's mentor & former pastor, rev. wright and the korean youngster who wanted American soldiers all killed but was still invited by this administration to the white house. It's comfortable to believe that sequestration is all congress's fault but where's the leadership from our president?

jenine, if I were a Koch brother I would close all my companies and move to Bumuda, cause the US a depression and you can suffer but your idol obama won't care, he and "mitchel" rich on the backs of the Americans.

My energy is fine, as a registered Independent. I look at both sides and shake my head because it is folks like you (and them) who have all the bad energy and do all the fighting, while those of us who want to move our country ahead in a positive way can't because you all have to puff your chest out a demand that it is your way or their way. The fact Jack is that the R's did move a proposal and could not get it past the D's...and they don't want to sit down...and this guy who occupies the White House goes around spreading fear, when he can do something about it. That's the fact JACK from a guy who sits in the best seat in the house...the sensible seat in the middle...

harry reid and his senate hasn't passed a budget for over 4 years but it's Boeners fault ? take your head out of your

Well said Paul

Paul...Exactly! It's hard to believe that folks actually believe cutting 85 billion of a nearly 3 Trillion budget would have ANY affect at all. It's not the tea party that is attempting to bully folks by threatening to cut essentials instead of merely trimming the gov waste. And by the way, the budget is OVER last years. It's a portion of the INCREASE that is being cut. 2.4%...but only 1.2% of it will even occur in the first year.

It's like having a salary of 100K and your boss says, hey...things are tight and instead of a 10% raise your salary will only be raised to 107K instead of 110K.

And you saying to your boss...
"What? I will have to stop feeding my kids then!"

What the sane folks are trying to say...is like the boss saying...hey, I know you eat out twice a week...now you might only be able to eat out once a week. No reason to threaten to stop feeding the kids just because I'm going to pay you only 7K MORE this year than I paid you last year rather than the 10K MORE that you want.

And since we are ALL supposed to share the sacrifice, perhaps OUR royal family could start by not costing us more than the British Royal Family.

Obama family 'costs taxpayers $1.4BILLION per year' (that's 20 times more expensive than British Royal Family)

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210323/Obama-family-costs-taxpayers-1-4BILLION-year.html#ixzz2MDoGCDjd

Does anyone here REALLY think there is NOT 2% WASTE in the government?

exactly, Paul It's a shame how many people see something on the mainstream news and just accept it as fact. A reduction in an increase is not a reduction at all.
These cuts dont go deep enough but our chicken little President is trying to scare everyone into thinking the sky will fall. In this country today, people are just about stupid enough to believe it

@ mike, I wholeheartedly agree with you that government spending needs to be reduced. A good starting point would be by reducing the government. Just peel off a few layers and scrap programs that fail..

www.stopfemanow.com

You are correct that agreement has been reached that spending needs to be reduced, what hasn't been agreed on is a simple matter of budgeting that recognizes that cutting spending is only one side of getting closer to balance. The other essential is to increase income and one side refuses to consider this, even by simply reducing huge loopholes in our tax codes.

Your commentary on my affiliation means nothing. It is people like you who cause things like this to occur. You are not capable of having a discussion that includes compromise. you are nothing but a wanna be bully...you have nothing and offer nothing. Just like the rest of your ilk, you bring nothing to the table except your "my way or the highway" mentality. It's sickening and sad, to say the least. I am conservative on some issues and quite liberal on others. You are just a left wing sheep, just like there are right wing sheep....and ultimately, we know what happens to sheep...they serve their purpose in the chain of life....so, for those of us who know how to have a civil and open conversation with a true exchange of ideas, we will be the ones standing and the radical left and right wing nut jobs like you will be past tense. Sorry that there are many of us who don't fit in your little box. You are dismissed, small minded one.

Thang, Put the Kool Aid down and breath

Mr.Thang, You have been drinking too much KoolAid, the economy will not get to be robust until the public and investors get the impression that we've finally grown up and can handle finances. Infrastructural investment is a red herring, the government is incapable of recognizing the places for future investment and so will attempt to recreate what worked in the past. We are beyond depending on past successes, we were successful because we were the only game in town after WWII. That is no longer the situation, the world caught us and passed us in many areas, we need to plow new ground and the government is incapable of this foresight, only people with their money on the line can make those difficult choices. If you don't believe this, explain Solyndra and the other failed government "investments".

thang, too bad your idea never worked before unless you count the soviet union and forced labor. The idiot in the White House just wants to raise taxes. YOU KNOW YOU CAN SEND AS MUCH AS YOU WANT TO THE IRS, Please send plenty, obama and his muts need to gas up their jets.

Save your breath Rick.....you are talking to a pebble.....only people with no common sense make statements like those made that you are reacting to...they just spout out the talking pints that they are told, thinking that if they say it enough, that there are enough stupid people who will believe and follow....right out of a Marx novel....save your breath for people who are interested in having a civil two way debate as opposed to idiots (on both sides) who only try to bully you, put you down and then try to make you see that their way if thinking is the only way...

I can’t imagine the solution to a debt problem being to spend more money and create more debt. Rick, your right, no one would ever suggest doing this in their own life and finances. Only in the backward thinking of our government would this make sense.

Rick why is it that people who do not agree with you are idiots? If you want to be taken seriously learn the difference between the words their and there. GB, I doubt from your rhetoric that you are liberal about anything. Maybe you're pro-choice? By your rhetoric, you may be the bully.

Neither side is really serious about cutting spending. As an example, the money in the emergency funding for Storm Sandy had pork (what else would you call it) for Alaskan fisheries. It was because to vote for the bill, a Republican wanted that. All members of the Senate and House are looking out for their own districts not the whole country. The whole country doesn't elect them.

@Laira....show me where I am being a bully....that is rich. As I mentioned, I am conservative on some things and liberal on others. I don't have to prove anything to you. You are typical however in labeling people but someone like me who sits in between your side and the other, it is difficult for you because folks like me don't fit nice and neat in your little box. By stating that you and others on here don't seem to be capable of compromising is not bullying...sorry honey...

@Samstie.....are you for real? Anger? Ignorance? Resentment? My point is let's sit down and have a discussion and come to a compromise...and this is what you come back with? Classic left wing nut job behavior HA HA HA HA !!!! Thank you for the laugh this afternoon. Appreciate it. BTW, I thought Clinton was a pretty good Pres...didn't agree with all his positions, but he realized that he had to reach across the aisle....don't disrespect him as President by comparing him to the person who resides there now...not even close....Obama could only dream about being Clinton....and that is even taking into account Willie's grand indiscretion and disrespecting the Presidency and the White House by the act he committed there with the intern.... HAHAHA...thanks again for a mid afternoon respite and laugh....

I dont know about Gb And Rick, but this governments spending has me kind of pissed off. So i guess i'll join the angery group

:-)

Or, they are the ones who have successfully navigated the stock market.

Darren, please, there is no such thing as a civil debate when it comes to politics in this country. For a white house that promised to bring us all togeather, it has done nothing but divide us even more. I find it hard to fathom that we were more divided as a country in the years leading up to the civil war. The more diveristy we have as a nation the more divided we seem to become. This country has no sense of itself anymore and we believe in nothing but our own selfish gratifications. At the end of the day, cuts in government spending will come. Its just a matter of whether we have them voluntarily or forcibly with the collapse of the dollar. This out of control spending has been tried before, it always fails. If we allow it to get to the point of failure, the pain will be much worse for everyone.

ok Darren I'll bite.....please point out my dirty insults and crazy accusations....I'm waiting....

EASY Shawn !!!!! Darren will accuse of of making a crazy accusation... HAHAHAHA !!!!!!

LMAO I'll get the translator app for my iphone :)

Well put...again...

Keep the money flowing it creates jobs.

If it was up to Republicans we would still be spending billions in Iraq.... an ally of Iran. Or maybe more billions in Egypt and Syria.

Hey genius, we still are still spending billions in Egypt. Except it goes to the muslim brotherhood. You know, where your hero Obama is imitating.

I think it would be a lot better to invest in our education system and infrastructure than spending a trillion dollars on bombs and bullets to defend the Oil Fields of Iraq which the Koran based government chose Russian Oil Companies to manage and profit from. Five Thousand Americans died to create that Govenment in Iraq and it is no Different than the one in Egypt, both are based the Koran. If Republican John McCain was President He would have kept our troops in Iraq for another 25 yrs and he probably would have sent American troops into Egypt at the cost of how many more young American lives and another Trillion Dollars.??

No, if they were capable engineers or had other skills demanded by other businesses, they could get a job doing something productive, rather than destructive. Maintaining employment is a bad reason to kill people overseas.

bg robbins, we still have troops and spend money in the democrats Korean war and lost a lot more lives in the democrats Nam war

I believe that spending was a success for Halliburton and Cheney.

Was George Bush and the Wall Street Bankers who ditched the American Economy Liberals???

Yes, but so is BHO! Be consistent.

bg, please step away from the adult table until you are potty trained. The Wall St. bankers have been libs for years. Like Corzine comes to mind.

robbins - barney frank, gay lover of the criminal head of freddy mack and chris dood, friend of countrywide mortgage criminal angelo mozilla that trashed the American economy. they should all be in jail.

Gov't policy put a man on the moon, developed the jet engine , built the interstate hwy system, did the basic research for most of the drugs major corporations sell the American public at prices twice what they charge in other countries. Over the past 50 yrs the US defense dept has spent trillions to create the conditions for International Corporations to prosper around the world. Now the excutives of those corporations don't want to pay their fair share of taxes but only increase their share and power sending lobbyists to Washington and moving American jobs to China and India.

@bg...you are simply off the rails...now you are going to try and tell us that government did the basic research of many of the drugs we use???? You need to stop because you really do not know what you are talking about in this regard....holy cow...typical left winger having no problem throwing inaccurate information out there. Try providing some detail around how the Feds did the "basic" research for drugs....I HAVE to hear this...this is going to be good.....let's hear it...DETAILS please...

Not everyone subscribes to Keynesian economics and putting Krugman out there as some kind of great proof point is ridiculous...the guy belongs in some Socialist country....oh right, that's what he is trying to make the U.S.....

Guam??......Sandy money is being used to build roads in Guam?...One of those Tea party Conservatives must have a Vacation home there.

look into nancy piglosy and her husband, they are heavily invested in Guam. That is a fact.

As bg robbins stated earlier our past govt. policies of capitalism worked and made this a great nation. The US always prospered the most during a time of war - not that is good reason. So why not now? Of course these are not true wars like WW1 and WW2 So that was jobs and production of past policy. " Gov't policy put a man on the moon, developed the jet engine , built the interstate hwy system, did the basic research for most of the drugs major corporations " as bg robbins states. Since then corporate greed and influence and intervention of policy and government has allowed us to share our wealth and dilute it to become part of the world economy. And the "the absolute facts"? You believe the truth actually exists? it is nothing more than a philosophy/ ideology based on opinion just like yours, mine and all presented here. Why would I move from my position - will you? the words "misapprehension, subjective, and objective" support this. Apology to Samtie if he did write in fact write that. So Tiredoldprof, if you do not wish to engage, why did you?

So, if I read you correctly @ Mr. ?, a "true" war would be an economic engine, as opposed to not so true wars.

So EVERYBODY needs to be cut off. That includes all the entities that are still reaping rewards from the outdated tax loopholes but half our government is continuing to act as their ENABLERS and won't even begin to talk about ending the financing of their fixes.

I believe that what you are saying is that WWIII (BIG war) is our only salvation.

Unfortunately, another big war WWIII wouldn't help this nation. We haven't the infrastructure to successfully wage a major war. Winning wars requires out manufacturing the enemy and we are losers on that basis.

How is it a net positive to manufacture things that destroy other things as well as themselves (i.e. a bomb) ? How does it help an economy to manufacture objects of war? I thought that wealth was created when people produce things that advance society, not destroy it.

Mr? I'm assuming your product wasn't subject to government price controls like the homes I built. The democrats pushed me out of business and I'm irately bitter about it.

robert yates, do roses come out of your rear, grow up

Re-tired, and Conservatives all want smaller and less intrusive government until they want to get into a womens vagina for a trans-vaginal ultrasound. You just sound like the rest of the old angry white men commenting on here.

laura, conservatives want liberals to stop killing children, at least not have to be forced to pay for their immoral sex lives

Now wait a second @ Laura, one of those angry old white men could be your father.

henry - barney frank, gay lover of the former head of freddy mack who was a criminal and chris dood, friend of countrywide mortgage criminal angelo mozilla that trashed the American economy. they should all be in jail. WAKE UP henry

Henry, the KoolAid is getting to you. If what you write is true how come the deficit went up instead of down. You conveniently forget about the housing bust created by the Democrats when they decided that everyone should have a house regardless of non-qualifying incomes. As you liberals like to say from your side of the fence, when something goes wrong , it can't be the President's fault because he doesn't control the purse strings, congress does. And since congress was in Democratic hands during the bust....guess who's responsible.

henry, it was the banks, mortgage companies and government liberals that forced appraisers to inflate the value of real estate to defraud the buyers to get mortgages that were based on barney frank and HUD's stupid policies.

henry, you blame the victims, those that got mortgages during that inflated time are still underwater if they didn't already lose their homes. You must idolize Scrooge

henry, if you were smart enough to invest do you pay ordinary tax rates on your investment returns? Some people aren't to bright with finances.

I won't forget, Romney has done nothing that Pelosi, Laughtenberg, Kerry and many in Congress don't do. It's the way the law is written and why shouldn't he abide by the law.....you certainly would if you made enough to do so.
You also have a short term memory if you can't remember exactly who besides uncle Barney set the stage for the bust, the banks did what the law prescribed and figured out how to game the system created by Democrats.

most of the quotes I've seen from obama were since he was a drug addict and drug pusher. That is if he ever got off the dope, the dope.

@ Mr.? I was not only interested in the war aspect of your comment, I was merely baffled by the logic and inconsistency:

1.[ "And Proud and Yates, as far as prosperity and war, I only repeated a statement "America always prospers in a time of war" but that was said years ago pre Vietnam"]

No you didn't.

2. I agree with you mostly that over leveraged, deficit spending at the micro and macro level is poor economic rationale, as the the great recession has proven, and didn't have anything to add.

3. If you feel I was remiss in focusing on the main thrust of your post, perhaps that is because I did not feel you needed any support in patting yourself on the back.

@Mr. ?- Back around 1964, Lewis Mumford an American historian published a book entitled: "The Pentagon of Power-The Myth of the Machine" . . . his prognostications turned out to be so true when you look back at history from Egypt to the present. You can't have an industrial revolution while at the same time try to isolate it from the winds of war. It was Mumford's belief that war and it's bureaucracy that it creates forges the immorality that perpetuates the techno-industrial machine. The latest being: "drone warfare" There's this human disconnect here... like when Eichmann was gathering and storing statistical data on Holocaust victims...

robert, you seem to have forgotten London and Pearl Harbor, Sieg Heil

so henry , you don't pay your payroll tax ?